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"ob: Wah.
Why not engage in discussion? I have offered what I think to be thoughtful rebukes to your post, while you just keep on re-stating what was in it. If I wasn't impressed with it the first time around, why would I be now? And speaking of wasting time, I am engaging in this discussion because I think it'll be beneficial to you, a community member, to suffer through a little debating!
The "political BS" is when you post one set of words, but then every time you're asked about it you rehash it in a slightly more refined way.
"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction!" "Iraq was going to have weapons of mass destruction!" "Iraq was colluding with people who wanted weapons of mass destruction!"
It's how you say you're wrong without ever admitting you're wrong.
"This posts is about PS3 Vs. XBox!" "This post is about PS3, with XBox as a point of comparison!" "This post is about a discussion of the PS3's worth vis-a-vis the XBox's pricing structure!"
"This post is about the worth of the $400 PS3, but I slipped and landed on the word 'XBox' on my keyboard 13 times!"
I guess the real point of the posts is obviously the little throw-away bit that says "Many of the complaints seem to come from Xbox 360 owners who think that the system is overpriced." You feel injured by XBox owners and you're lashing out.
My mistake, I thought you wanted to have a real discussion of the merits of the PS3 pricing structure vs. the XBox pricing structure. But I was wrong, you just wanted to wah wah all over the place.
(Refer to my FIRST comment, which you have ignored the entire time.)
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Why not engage in discussion? I have offered what I think to be thoughtful rebukes to your post, while you just keep on re-stating what was in it. If I wasn't impressed with it the first time around, why would I be now? And speaking of wasting time, I am engaging in this discussion because I think it'll be beneficial to you, a community member, to suffer through a little debating!
The "political BS" is when you post one set of words, but then every time you're asked about it you rehash it in a slightly more refined way.
"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction!" "Iraq was going to have weapons of mass destruction!" "Iraq was colluding with people who wanted weapons of mass destruction!"
It's how you say you're wrong without ever admitting you're wrong.
"This posts is about PS3 Vs. XBox!" "This post is about PS3, with XBox as a point of comparison!" "This post is about a discussion of the PS3's worth vis-a-vis the XBox's pricing structure!"
"This post is about the worth of the $400 PS3, but I slipped and landed on the word 'XBox' on my keyboard 13 times!"
I guess the real point of the posts is obviously the little throw-away bit that says "Many of the complaints seem to come from Xbox 360 owners who think that the system is overpriced." You feel injured by XBox owners and you're lashing out.
My mistake, I thought you wanted to have a real discussion of the merits of the PS3 pricing structure vs. the XBox pricing structure. But I was wrong, you just wanted to wah wah all over the place.
(Refer to my FIRST comment, which you have ignored the entire time.)
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Friday, June 05, 2009
"e concept. It must've been absolutely dreadful to wade through all those posts to get the data, though. I hope you had an intern or somebody to do it for you!
Are gaffers all that influential to the Japanese developers? I know that American developers are constantly referring to posts on GAF or posting there themselves, but I was unaware if Nintendo gave a shit what anybody, anywhere thought"
Are gaffers all that influential to the Japanese developers? I know that American developers are constantly referring to posts on GAF or posting there themselves, but I was unaware if Nintendo gave a shit what anybody, anywhere thought"
Friday, June 05, 2009
"ob:
You're in a community of gamers making this post, don't be coy. I don't understand who you're trying to impress with your political BS. Be real here, Rob.
You compare all the XBox configurations with a $500 PS3 bundle throughout the post, and then ask if $400 is "reasonable for what you get." Maybe you're the one who needs to do more proofreading of your words so that you don't ask multiple questions with multiple answers and then get frustrated at the comments you receive. If you looked at your own words a bit more closely, you would know that in this post you mention the "Playstation" 5 times, and the "XBox" 13 times. You bold the final add-it-all-up totals for the Xbox, but then you bold only the base prices of the PS3s. And it's it's simply about what the PS3 is "worth," how come you use the XBox as a measurement of comparison and not a media center PC or a variety of home theatre components? If you're not trying to start a war, or pick on one console (the one you don't have) by comparing it to another (the one you spent your own hard-earned cash on) then you need to completely re-think this post, because you messed up the first attempt. I'm just trying to provide some much-deserved criticism that you can address and thus improve your post and your writing skills. But apparently you don't want that.
Chip+Shoulder=Ro"
You're in a community of gamers making this post, don't be coy. I don't understand who you're trying to impress with your political BS. Be real here, Rob.
You compare all the XBox configurations with a $500 PS3 bundle throughout the post, and then ask if $400 is "reasonable for what you get." Maybe you're the one who needs to do more proofreading of your words so that you don't ask multiple questions with multiple answers and then get frustrated at the comments you receive. If you looked at your own words a bit more closely, you would know that in this post you mention the "Playstation" 5 times, and the "XBox" 13 times. You bold the final add-it-all-up totals for the Xbox, but then you bold only the base prices of the PS3s. And it's it's simply about what the PS3 is "worth," how come you use the XBox as a measurement of comparison and not a media center PC or a variety of home theatre components? If you're not trying to start a war, or pick on one console (the one you don't have) by comparing it to another (the one you spent your own hard-earned cash on) then you need to completely re-think this post, because you messed up the first attempt. I'm just trying to provide some much-deserved criticism that you can address and thus improve your post and your writing skills. But apparently you don't want that.
Chip+Shoulder=Ro"
Friday, June 05, 2009
"en: The $100 wi-fi dongle is indeed ridiculous. Luckily for me, I have a small house and it's crawling with cat 5, so I didn't have to suffer that.
You can appreciate all those features because you- like anyone else who has found their way onto BitMob- are a gamer. Unfortunately for us, this generation of consoles has been about reaching beyond the hardcore and into the mainstream to make money. Hence Nintendo's domination of the market, sales-wise. Oddly enough, it seems like it was partly Sony's attempt at being a game console and a media center pc/blu-ray player that made it so expensive. Or maybe it's that they didn't ship out faulty hardware like MS that would melt and die within a couple years. ;"
You can appreciate all those features because you- like anyone else who has found their way onto BitMob- are a gamer. Unfortunately for us, this generation of consoles has been about reaching beyond the hardcore and into the mainstream to make money. Hence Nintendo's domination of the market, sales-wise. Oddly enough, it seems like it was partly Sony's attempt at being a game console and a media center pc/blu-ray player that made it so expensive. Or maybe it's that they didn't ship out faulty hardware like MS that would melt and die within a couple years. ;"
Friday, June 05, 2009
"ob: Wow. Are you high?
Some of your are missing the point. I'm not starting a console war here.
I'm asking a simple question, "Is $400 reasonable for what you get with a PlayStation 3?"
No, actually, you spoke more about the XBox than the PS3 in this post. You never asked that simple question in your original post"
Some of your are missing the point. I'm not starting a console war here.
I'm asking a simple question, "Is $400 reasonable for what you get with a PlayStation 3?"
No, actually, you spoke more about the XBox than the PS3 in this post. You never asked that simple question in your original post"
Friday, June 05, 2009
"you're going to spend $200+ on a Blu-Ray player, there is no reason not to eat a few PB&J; dinners and save up for the cheapest PS3. As everyone here has said, it is a good stand-in for a sort-of media-center PC, and every once in a while a cool game comes out on it"
Friday, June 05, 2009
" didn't you do the tallying up of PS3 component prices with a total?
Oh well, it doesn't matter because you have *completely* missed the point. I'm sure you own both and claim to be unbiased, but something has blinded you about the big difference between the two consoles and the way they are sold.
Microsoft gives you the opportunity of buying those things on their own, where Sony forces your to take them all up front. So if they basically add up to about the same amount, you still can't deny the psychology of feeling like you're getting a ton of stuff if you get to pile all those boxes on top of each other. And you're ignoring an important fact about building your own console's feature-set, rather than having it built for you. Maybe I don't want all that crap you listed!
Hey, if you bought a Blu-Ray player with your XBox, that'd make the price $200 higher! Except that many people won't do that. Much like many people won't buy a wi-fi plug-in because it ultimately makes sense to run ethernet to your home media center anyhow. And many people won't buy an HDMI cable because that tech is actually a half-baked scam and they wouldn't be able to spot the difference if they tried. And many people don't download or store enough on their Xbox to immediately need the extra hard drive, and when they do it could very well be cheaper.
See where I'm going here? Ultimately, XBox is the cheaper solution overall *for most people* because it allows you to omit the features you don't need or don't care about, rather than charging you for them all up front.
Not to mention it's got a ton of extra features you managed to leave out, like a whole bunch of Game-To-Play-On-It, but I won't even bother going there because this post was about cash value"
Oh well, it doesn't matter because you have *completely* missed the point. I'm sure you own both and claim to be unbiased, but something has blinded you about the big difference between the two consoles and the way they are sold.
Microsoft gives you the opportunity of buying those things on their own, where Sony forces your to take them all up front. So if they basically add up to about the same amount, you still can't deny the psychology of feeling like you're getting a ton of stuff if you get to pile all those boxes on top of each other. And you're ignoring an important fact about building your own console's feature-set, rather than having it built for you. Maybe I don't want all that crap you listed!
Hey, if you bought a Blu-Ray player with your XBox, that'd make the price $200 higher! Except that many people won't do that. Much like many people won't buy a wi-fi plug-in because it ultimately makes sense to run ethernet to your home media center anyhow. And many people won't buy an HDMI cable because that tech is actually a half-baked scam and they wouldn't be able to spot the difference if they tried. And many people don't download or store enough on their Xbox to immediately need the extra hard drive, and when they do it could very well be cheaper.
See where I'm going here? Ultimately, XBox is the cheaper solution overall *for most people* because it allows you to omit the features you don't need or don't care about, rather than charging you for them all up front.
Not to mention it's got a ton of extra features you managed to leave out, like a whole bunch of Game-To-Play-On-It, but I won't even bother going there because this post was about cash value"
Friday, June 05, 2009
"ny how it takes so long for a simple gameplay upgrade like that to get discovered and implemented.
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Thursday, June 04, 2009
"was great to hear somebody who I know isn't just a hater disperse some honest hate on Mario and his cartoon cronies. Yes we all expect perfection from Nintendo, and yes they deliver it almost all the time, and no some of us just don't care"
Thursday, June 04, 2009
"ant to thank you for inspiring me to write that loooong reply, and to then go on and write my own posts about what type of games I see in the future of Natal. I won't spam links on your post, but I welcome you to check em out and see what I mean about Natal-specific games and tell me what you think"
Thursday, June 04, 2009
", yes, Yes! And no.
I love all your ideas about the added functionality that the Natal could bring to ordinary games. Surely, this is the future. However, I don't think it's a really revolutionary suggestion on your part. Yes, when the XBox 3 comes out and Natal is built in, every single game will make use of the then-proven technology towards fun, exciting, and convenient ends. However, that is several years away.
At some point down the line, all of this motion sensor tech will be a given. Nintendo's bursting bank account has shown that there is something to this "motion control" that has everyone motioning towards their wallets. When the next generation of game consoles comes around, having only the option of a traditional controller will simply be out of the question. By then, these motion technologies will be further tested, tuned, and vetted, and will be included from day one in these next-next-gen systems.
However, Natal is being designed as an addition to this current generation that will cost at least $100 and be sold as an add-on that must be purchased along side the XBox 360. This is something of a logistical nightmare in that it means that future software (like Mass Effect 2) will have to be able to function with the controller alone, and Natal functionality will have to be added on top of that more traditional control set. We're talking about a whole bunch of extra work for the developer for no apparent reward. The ability to navigate menus and equip your character in a cleaner way (with your voice and hands) may seem like a bonus to you, but it's not going to drive people who don't own an XBox, Natal, and ME2 to go out and buy all of those things, which is the ultimate goal. Nor is lack of Natal functionality going to stop purchases of ME2, which will have its controls tightened and its inventory system streamlined anyway.
If MS wants to sell more consoles and more Natals, they have to have a killer application which relies on the Natal completely and is otherwise unusable, forcing gamers to cough up that extra dough for the new hardware. In my opinion, this is where you are going to see a focus in the short term, strictly based on the economics of it. MS is in the money-making business, and you do that by straight up wowing the cash out of peoples hands. These wows will come in ways that you and I haven't even thought about, in one-of-a-kind experiences. Think Milo, not dashboard navigation. Regardless of how fun or polished they actually are, they will be unique to Natal and that will be the major selling point that gets this technology established as must-have. Only then, as it sells more units and gets more of a foothold on the market will it make fiscal sense to include it in other software such as you've described.
But this is all just my opinion, I'm only a blogger like you. ;)
Great piece, I'm happy to see thoughtful, long-form essays showing up all over BitMob. Hope I didn't overwhelm with my long reply"
I love all your ideas about the added functionality that the Natal could bring to ordinary games. Surely, this is the future. However, I don't think it's a really revolutionary suggestion on your part. Yes, when the XBox 3 comes out and Natal is built in, every single game will make use of the then-proven technology towards fun, exciting, and convenient ends. However, that is several years away.
At some point down the line, all of this motion sensor tech will be a given. Nintendo's bursting bank account has shown that there is something to this "motion control" that has everyone motioning towards their wallets. When the next generation of game consoles comes around, having only the option of a traditional controller will simply be out of the question. By then, these motion technologies will be further tested, tuned, and vetted, and will be included from day one in these next-next-gen systems.
However, Natal is being designed as an addition to this current generation that will cost at least $100 and be sold as an add-on that must be purchased along side the XBox 360. This is something of a logistical nightmare in that it means that future software (like Mass Effect 2) will have to be able to function with the controller alone, and Natal functionality will have to be added on top of that more traditional control set. We're talking about a whole bunch of extra work for the developer for no apparent reward. The ability to navigate menus and equip your character in a cleaner way (with your voice and hands) may seem like a bonus to you, but it's not going to drive people who don't own an XBox, Natal, and ME2 to go out and buy all of those things, which is the ultimate goal. Nor is lack of Natal functionality going to stop purchases of ME2, which will have its controls tightened and its inventory system streamlined anyway.
If MS wants to sell more consoles and more Natals, they have to have a killer application which relies on the Natal completely and is otherwise unusable, forcing gamers to cough up that extra dough for the new hardware. In my opinion, this is where you are going to see a focus in the short term, strictly based on the economics of it. MS is in the money-making business, and you do that by straight up wowing the cash out of peoples hands. These wows will come in ways that you and I haven't even thought about, in one-of-a-kind experiences. Think Milo, not dashboard navigation. Regardless of how fun or polished they actually are, they will be unique to Natal and that will be the major selling point that gets this technology established as must-have. Only then, as it sells more units and gets more of a foothold on the market will it make fiscal sense to include it in other software such as you've described.
But this is all just my opinion, I'm only a blogger like you. ;)
Great piece, I'm happy to see thoughtful, long-form essays showing up all over BitMob. Hope I didn't overwhelm with my long reply"
Thursday, June 04, 2009
And don't forget OnLive, or the convergence of the PC and the TV"