Achievements vs. Trophies

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Friday, November 05, 2010

I'd just shaken down a wastelander for some extra cash and robbed a whole squad of goodie-goodie NCR soldiers blind in Fallout: New Vegas when something occured to me. While the game kept me interested, I felt totally apatheitc when the "You've lost Karma!" notice flashed up on screen.

See,  I normally take the paragon path of super-saintly virtue, minus a few unsaved lapses just to see what happens. My good karma maxed out during Fallout 3, but in New Vegas I ran the table Vegas style. I lied, cheated, intimidated, and took whatever the hell I wanted. Karma? Screw that. Baby needed a new pair of silenced .22 pistols. So I pickpocketed them off some goons and then gave them back...one whisper-quiet bullet at a time.


How much do I get if I just pick off his ears?

That's when something else occured to me. I played Fallout 3 on an Xbox 360, where I gunned for a series of good karma Achievements. My New Vegas experience happened on a PlayStation 3, and I didn't care about scoring any corresponding Trophies (which, it turns out, don't actually exist).

And that's when something major occured to me: even though I'm a mild Achievement whore,  I never care about winning Trophies.

 

Hey, I'm on record as a non-denominational gamer; if it's a good meal, I don't care what plate I'm eating off of. But the mere thought of devoting another chunk of my soul to a second competitive meta-game system just makes me feel tired. By the time Sony pushed Trophies live in July 2008, my gamerscore had a two-and-a-half year head start. No way would my Trophy count ever catch up, so why bother?

If you've sworn undying fealty to the PS3, the Trophy update was a great day. For the rest of us, it came late to the party and danced around the leader too damn much.

Trophies spend a lot of time trying to be Achievements while distigushing themselves as their own thing in self-destructive ways. They dropped key elements like points in favor of an A-B-C-D system that feels a bit inflexable at times, where Achievements can dole out five or 150 points as waranted. The interface isn't streamlined, and notifications are appologetically small. Plus, I have to say "Achievement" actually sounds better. You achieved something. It's an accomplishment, rather than a simple award for good (or deviant) behavior.


Achievement Unlocked: Pretty Cups!

Don't get me wrong...Trophies aren't altogether bad, and the PS3 needed Trophies. The Wii still does. Several third party Wii developers put standalone Achievements in their games independent of Nintendo -- NBA Jam and The Conduit, for example. Microsoft guys razz those poor developers relentlessly; "Yeah, but those aren't real Achievements." And they're right. "Faux-chievements" lack true, cross-game integration. It's a patch where Microsoft had their act together on day one.

And if you want to be honest about it, Sony only created Trophies because the competition had them.

That said, Trophies arrived as a smarter package, having watched Microsoft work out all the kinks. For a long time, Xbox 360 games rewarded you for merely playing them. Only Perfect Dark Zero awarded Achievements for how you played. Personally, my favorite Achievements make me alter my behavior in bizzare ways; "47 Kills" in Hitman: Blood Money and Dead Rising's "Zombie Genocider" don't just happen by accident.


If you're assassinated in Vegas, do you stay in Vegas?

Trophies alter my behavior as well. Since I'm not interested in earning them, I'm not concerned about collecting items, locking into a certain personality profile, or doing anything other than playing the game the way I want to play it. It's quite freeing, actually. I sometimes wonder if I enjoy games on the PS3 more specifically because I'm not constantly chasing after the next cookie.

I'll always praise the brilliance of Achievements -- they redefined online gaming, offline playing, boosted software sales, solidified partnerships with developers, and made the hardware transition from 1.0 to 360 much smoother than it really deserved to be, all at the same time. I'll always obsessively work up my gamerscore. But it's also relaxing to get away from the hunt and just do whatever. That's a nice oasis to have, whichever system you choose.

For me, Achievements are the treasures I'll relentlessly hunt down even to my own detriment, while Trophies are the feature I can blissfully ignore. Maybe that isn't their intended effect, but I appreciate them for it all the same.

 
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Comments (10)
Mikeshadesbitmob0611
November 05, 2010

Argh, I had an article about achievements ready to go, but the blog editor won't let me post it.

Robsavillo
November 05, 2010

Achievements, trophies...whatever you want to call them: It's all the same nonsense. They're extrinsic rewards at the expense of intrinsically fulfilling gameplay. I'm actually annoyed that they're on Steam -- the notification always interrupts like an unwanted guest what is usually a pleasant experience. Independent game developer Chris Hecker has an [url=http://chrishecker.com/Achievements_Considered_Harmful%3F]interesting take[/url] on this topic, too.

Rm_headshot
November 06, 2010

You're such a purist, Rob. But Steam doesn't let you shut off the notifications? 360/PS3 notifications can be turned off...in fact, it happened automatically after one firmware update while I was playing Kane & Lynch 2, and I kept getting pissed, wondering why the hell I wasn't getting any Achievements.

Michael: Ah, that happens all the time. Couldn't even tell you how often the community beats me to the punch on an idea I had...you bastards outnumber me somthing awful. Fortunately, the internet has a short memory. Just keep it in your pocket for a week or so to give it some distance, then let 'er rip.

Unless it completely disagrees with my article, in which case, fire that sucker off Right Now.  :)

Brett_new_profile
November 06, 2010

I feel exactly the same way, Rus. I enjoy playing games on the PS3, but I could care less if I earn any Trophies during my play. Achievements, on the other hand...

It absolutely has to do with that one cumulative number -- a number that pops up as soon as you turn your system on, when you log into xbox.com, when you compare yourself to friends, etc. etc. Trophies don't do that.

Rm_headshot
November 06, 2010

Speaking of which, Brett ol' pal, it's only New Vegas that's keeping me from TOTALLY DUSTING your gamerscore. I've got two untouched 360 games right here. Oh yeah.

I'm not competitive. Nope, not me.

Photo_159
November 06, 2010

Man I was trying to avoid Bitmob all day cause I have a lot of homework but this article roped me in. Rus your'e introduction was so brilliant, haha.

Trophies and achievements are pretty awesome. The thing that sets them apart for me is that more people I know have 360 so it is nice to have a larger pool of varied scores to look at and compare game libraries as to PS3 where there is one person on my friends list who has conisderably more trophies than me. ..maybe I just need more friends.

Anyways Giantbomb stat tracking for Steam and MS achievements is freaking amazing and unfortunately Sony hasn't yet opened up their stuff enough to let sites like GiantBomb in there. Perhaps when they do I will care a little bit more about Trophies...For example, I managed to get all the trophies in Uncharted 2. On Giant Bomb that would earn me an S rank... Then DLC was released and now there is more trophies I would need to get to keep my S rank however I am not in a hurry to clean up those last few trophies because there are plenty of achievements to be had on 360.

However, I really do like the idea of Platinum Trophies on PSN - they stand out when you compare them with your friends and it's a lot easier to find those really tricky achievements - for example I have to know what the Solo Legendary Achievement for Halo is called and then probably shuffle through the persons achievements to find it.

Good Luck Rus on passing up Brett... haha I am sure he has probably got a couple of work related games get through, especially this time of year.

Enzo
November 06, 2010

Ack, I was going to comment at length but what's the point? Rob's said it all already. So I'll keep it short.

Achivements & Trophies: nonsense.

Default_picture
November 09, 2010

The inability to easily access trophy data from the PSN is one of the biggest failings of the PSN. It makes gathering trophy data for my site nearly impossible.

 

Good job, MS. This is one of the few times I will give you props.

Shoe_headshot_-_square
November 10, 2010

Great article and I totally agree! I never got into Trophies the same way I do Achievements. I thought MS was weird for doing it at first, when I originally heard about it before the 360 came out. But I was instantly sold after getting some. They really were smart about designing those.

Default_picture
November 10, 2010

Is J Allard resonsible for gettin so many chivo' junkies hooked? Isn't he with zune now? They need him back, unless he did the RROD thing too.

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