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Gender identity and gaming avatars
Redeye
Saturday, September 05, 2009

 

I'm sure we are all familiar with these excuses.

 

Chun Li is the fastest character and I prefer to hit and run. I'd rather stare at a womans ass for this long of a game then a mans ass. My newest one for deflecting the question is just to say 'because I'm gay, alright?' It usually confuses the rude ones long enough that they just drop the question.


For as long as their have been female characters as selectable options in games some men have had to prove their manhood by answering the question 'why are you playing as a girl?'. As games become more connected and more social the ability to choose the gender of your avatar has changed things so that often times in games that don't have some obvious give away like voice chat you don't even know the gender of the person you are playing the game with.

 

 


The reaction to this has been rather destructive to many people's gaming experience. Girls are often asked 'are you a real girl?' or just flocked upon due to sheer rarity in such ridiculous numbers, hit upon and insulted and harassed. Meanwhile men who use female avatars are subject to similar ridicule and also various slurs involving their sexuality.

 

This is largely due to the fact that many of the males playing these games have a very distorted view of the concept of femininity. They seem to have only two modes in dealing with females. Mode one is attempt to screw, mode 2 is discard and insult.

 

I personally find myself in a strange situation in this hilariously disgraceful mess. I (in a revelation that I'm sure will lead to plenty of harassment of my own) am one of a subset of men who has gender identity issues.


I feel that I have to explain myself to an extent. Gender confused males have had this sort of...insulting and comical stereotype built around them by daytime talk shows and misguided and confused ignorance on both sides. There are so many negative judgements around the concepts of crossdressing and betraying of gender roles in general that I personally have been holding onto this article for a half a year in deciding if I should write it anonomously or not. The perils of actually posting stuff attached to your name huh?
Still someone has to take responsibility and talk about this so why the heck not? Gaming culture in particular needs a wake up call on this issue due to the fact that rougly 70 percent of the 'humor' surrounding online games is 'huhuh. That girl ain't a real girl. It's really a fat nerd masturbating, huhuh'. I'm sure even people who consider themselves tolerant have  resorted to this joke at one point. I bet I have too. I can't remember it's such a natural part of internet culture.

To get things strait for the uniformed, not all men with gender issues parade around all day in drag trying to fool other men. They don't all describe themselves as 'a woman trapped inside a man's body' and they don't all want to get operations and live as a woman.  They don't all attempt to 'cyber' with horny men on the internet by claiming to be 'hawtchik23'. They aren't out trying to entrap men and make them gay (most gender confused individuals I know are strait, a few are bi. I've never personally met a gay one. Also why would any gay guy want anything but another accepting gay guy?) Also the ones that do fit into some of those stereotypes are still human and many are still capable of rational thought and self awareness. Many are normal responsible people who are just not exactly like the average male. I personally am not really sure where I fall in the entire situation. I just know how I understand it.

 

I quite simply have no disconnect between what traits I find attractive and what traits I would personally like to possess. It is a strange head space to be in, as I don't really find either gender to be without it's eye rolling faults and disadvantages. I am not a woman trapped inside a mans body or any of that. I just simply don't identify with men in the same way normal men do. I don't particularly want to conform to ANY gender identity, as both seem to be nothing but glorified and derogatory stereotypes meant to keep people from doing things modern society deems inappropriate and to keep them shopping for football jerseys and cute shoes.
I simply find the female gender identity to be the more interesting of the two personally. Given how much I complain about how misused women are in modern fiction maybe I just like rooting for the underdog. Or maybe I just hate muscles and bro-ocity due to years of being treated like crap by ignorant tough guys. Or maybe it's a chemical thing. I digress, anyway, the fact is that it's been a part of my identity for most of my life in some form or another and I can't just turn it off and ignore it because it's inconvenient to society's designs for me. 

As a result of this alternate way of thinking when I play a game where I have a choice between playing as a male or a female my first instinct is to choose female. Some guys might act like this is some form of dishonesty or some such thing. I would like to ask those guys a few questions. Do you have so much muscle you could wrestle a bear? Do you have clean and perfectly kept hair and man scaping? Do you have military training and access to super guns? Games are often times about escapism for people. They are an aspirational fantasy about things we can never be. If you are allowed to misrepresent yourself for your own amusement then anyone is. Even people you don't understand.

I recently had a conversation in one of my online games with someone who asked me why I play using female avatars  I asked them why it should matter and they responded with why it matters to them. “Because I treat girls differently from guys. I wouldn't give a girl a high five for example.” I responded “Well maybe you should just treat everyone with the same neutral amount of respect and friendliness instead of basing your reactions to everything on gender lines.” he didn't really agree but I still think it's a good point.

One of the major criticisms for males who use female avatars in games is that they are purposefully fooling men into thinking they are women. This is just a stupid assertion to begin with. Firstly women masquerade as men in online games rather often and you don't notice or care because you don't ask every guy you meet “are you a real guy”. Secondly how would you feel if someone charged up to you and asked you personal information on the Internet every time you played. Especially if you know that if you answer truthfully the average male would consider themselves 'justified' in harrassing you. When faced with those situations I usually answer based off of how much I feel like being insulted by an immature arsehole that night. So I often times will lie just to make everyone's life easier.

 

While I am on this subject, what benefit do you have of even ASKING if someone is a real girl or not. If you are looking for a date in an online game about the stupidest thing you can do is go up to the first female avatar and start putting on the moves. Not only is it an insult to most women to be hit on the first time you talk to them it's also statistically uncertain that you would actually be talking to a woman most of the time. Also if you are so paranoid about treating a guy like a girl maybe you should consider exactly why the hell you treat girls differently to begin with, as I imagine a lot of those differences could even be annoying to the girls you interact with.
Finally, if you notice a guy playing with a girl avatar. For god's sake don't bother to mention it. They have their reasons and their reasons are none of your damn business. Most of them aren't gender confused and the ones that are just want to not have their differences be pointed out to them every ten seconds while they are trying to enjoy a game. No one is asking you why you like guys so much that you always have to play as one in a game so you shouldn't be asking a guy why they like girls so much they want to play as one.

 

Of course this post is largely pointless to actually fixing the problem as asking the Internet to grow up and be respectful is a doomed proposition.

 
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Comments (14)
Demian_-_bitmobbio
September 05, 2009
I tend to play as female characters in MMOs most of the time. Right now, my main character is a 3ft tall chick with pig tails. I'm not sure what that says about me, but also don't particularly care.
Default_picture
September 06, 2009
If you are allowed to misrepresent yourself for your own amusement then anyone is. Even people you don't understand


Bravo! This very well may be the most intelligent discussion of this topic on any video game related website ever.
Lance_darnell
September 06, 2009
Great post!!! My Live and old PSN name was Sparkley Puppy. Apparently, this is a female nickname for I was asked a number of times if I am a girl - which I replied back in a deep voice "YES".

I blame it all on news stories about people meeting their loved ones online.

Me? I really go for those 3ft Tall chicks with pig tails...
Default_picture
September 06, 2009
Congrats on a well thought out post with lots of great points.

More often than not, I'll play a female character when given the choice. Mostly because whenever I'm NOT given the choice, it's a male character. It's a way for me to even out the protagonists I play.
I've never quite understood the idea that your avatar in a game is supposed to accurately represent you. That really takes the fun out of it. I'm not playing a game to be me, I do that all damn day. I want to inhabit someone else's shoes.
Brett_new_profile
September 06, 2009
You hit it right on the head: games are fantasy. So who cares what the underlying motivations are? Just let people play how they want to play.
Default_picture
September 06, 2009
I've noticed that when I use a girl I get a lot of help and "free" stuff. Yay for manipulation!
Redeye
September 20, 2009
sigh. *tosses a tumbleweed in here.* Fine. I totally see why my review of that batman game is more important to gaming culture then this article I have been planning for a year and put my ass on the line for. Thanks bitmob.
Jason_wilson
September 20, 2009
This is a well though-out piece, Jeffrey. Gender issues in gaming is becoming more and more of an important topic, just as gender issues are becoming more and more of an important topic in American culture and society.

Have you gotten to the point where you play male avatars just to make playing online easier?

And if there's a third option to "male" and "female" available, such as construct or robot, do you choose that?
Redeye
September 20, 2009
I usually don't compromise on what avatars I play online. In games where there is no option like halo naturally i'll just play what they give me but if the female option in a game is more interesting to me i'll use it. Never been too much of a fan of robots either so I only choose that if it's suitably awesome.

Also while i'm posting here, Just to clarify my above tantrum attention grab post since I have a habit of coming off as petty (cuz I am. LoL). I really feel confused about Bitmob these days. It's just hard to understand what metric they are using to decide what is an isn't relevant to the site. If you aren't one of the people being semi or fully employed by the site then you risk even the most heartfelt post being buried under 'dreamcastnaveresywhatthehellever'. A week long circle jerk that everything everyone was saying could have easily been said and left to rest in a single weekend. (I like dreamcast as much as the next guy but you have to set limits.)

Meanwhile if you have the hot pipeline to the top that the bitmob elite have you can clutter the front page with crap you found on youtube.

Going forward bitmob is going to have to decide how seriously it takes itself and how seriously it takes it's lowly fan contributors. I personally don't read this site for standard blogsite lols. I read it for analasis of gaming culture and debate about real issues.
Dan__shoe__hsu_-_square
September 20, 2009
Jeffrey: Wow, don't take it personally.

There could be a lot of reasons why we didn't front-page your story. But to think we screwed up for not doing so because you personally feel your own story deserves it -- that's a bit egotistical, isn't it?

We really appreciate your contribution here, and it's definitely an interesting topic. But like I said, we may have our reasons that you're not understanding. If you want, I can give you direct feedback on your writing in the comments to tell you what some of the barriers are.

In the future, I would recommend asking "why" or "why not" if you're curious rather than just blaming and insulting the other party for not liking something as much as you did.

Thanks.
Redeye
September 21, 2009
Hrm. Why is my post explaining the tumbleweed post suddenly before the tumbleweed post instead of after? I think it effects the context a bit to have them out of order. Wish I could change that. If someone who could do that wouldn't mind could you move the post starting with 'I usually don't compromise on what avatars I play online.' down two posts as that's the actual time frame it was posted in. Two posts down from tumbleweed and responding to jason in the first paragraph.

Anywho Dan in response to you I would say I did my best to express my concerns with how bitmob is doing things in the least inflammitory and insulting way I can. I'm not going around claiming this site has a hidden agenda. I'm just speaking my concerns. Half of the reason for my outburst isn't because i'm not being spotlighted. Part of it is that I just see the front page and don't personally like what I am seeing. The other part is I simply wish to say that this article is important to me and I don't understand why it is not as important to bitmob as my half cocked game reviews. I am not insulting bitmob because they aren't paying attention to me i'm saying bitmob isn't paying attention to me (which I can't act as if I like but I haven't really earned special treatment or anything) and ALSO saying that I don't really like the direction of the site. Maybe I could have worded it better but I think any judgement of me should be considered in the context of what I have to say more then how I choose to say it.

If I were really THAT egotistical I would be demanding everything I write be given top billing but I don't think that's right to do. I understand I'm not a professional writer and that I have a lot to learn I just personally prefer to learn by doing and won't spend a lot of my time asking you guys for pointers. Quite frankly I don't want to write like you guys. I want to write like a better version of me. About all I need to know from bitmob is maybe a message of what you changed and why when you DO edit one of my posts (it's always disorienting to see my edited post and not understand the changes, as many times they ruin the flow I was going for.) and a set of guidelines on how vulgar I can be without being yelled at.

As for this article I think it's not unsalvageable and I simply think this is a relevant issue that is underrepresented in the community and really wanted it to get some attention. I'm passionate about certain issues that the gaming community seems to ignore and I'm sorry if I get into a bit of a ferver but I have spent a lot of my life barking into the darkness over some things and I have some emotional issues with being judged and cast aside. I am proud I've managed to weed them down into being just kind of a loud mouth and a little selfish instead of being insufferably needy and cutthroat. I realise i'm not perfect. I realize I can be abrasive. What I also realize is that I am those things because I feel that it would be dishonest of me to act in a fashion that doesn't represent my actual feelings and opinions.

As for how I express myself in the comments section of my posts. As I said I attempt to be respectful but I'm not going to outright censor my feelings and opinions about bitmob's direction just because you don't personally agree with them. If I think that this site is focusing too much on the editors and on fluff pieces and not enough on the fans and serious debate then I will say that. I will also continue to say I didn't like how long and exclusive the dreamcast buisiness was and hope that no other topic sidetracks buisiness as usual around here for that long. If you want to respond to it feel free but don't act as if me saying it is the equivalent of net trolling and don't act like i'm obligated to appreciate or agree with your opinion.

I have had enough of being a part of net communities that stifled introspective debate and thought themselves above critique. I'll do my best to be civil about my concerns at least.

I don't think i've conducted myself in a fashion in this site that suggests that I'm trying to start trouble. I think I've conducted myself in a manner that suggests I am an atypical personality with some personal issues and a lot of opinions.
Dan__shoe__hsu_-_square
September 21, 2009
Jeffrey, you've been pretty civil, for sure. That wasn't really my point, and I apologize if you thought that was my main issue.

What I'm trying to say is that you shouldn't berate other individuals for not seeing something exactly like how you see it. I'm not asking you to censor yourself, but you're going to get much better reactions from us with "I thought the Dreamcast week went a little long" than calling our work (and the community's contributions) a
week-long circle jerk


...which doesn't demonstrate the civility you claim.

And stuff like this isn't quite "civil" or constructive, either:

Meanwhile if you have the hot pipeline to the top that the bitmob elite have you can clutter the front page with crap you found on youtube.


Yes, a lot of the articles on the front page are from us (staffers and VIP contributors found on the staff page). That was always the intent of the site right from the start. The front page isn't exclusively for community stories. It's for our content mixed in with the best community stories that we have founded and vetted. Please see: http://bitmob.com/index.php/about for clarification on our mission statement.

Finally, respectfully, I think you missed the point of my last comment. I didn't say your issue wasn't important or worth discussing. I didn't say that anywhere. I said that we MAY have other reasons for not having called out your story.

Your first reaction is to blame us, tell us everything we're doing wrong, and how we have bad taste when it comes to choosing content -- and not once are you thinking that maybe there was something better or different you could've done.

That's why I thought this was a bit egotistical on your point, no offense. You blamed everyone, yet you can't see there may be other factors.

And like I offered before, I'm willing to let you know what those barriers were exactly if you want to hear them. But it seems either you missed that part -- or you really don't want to hear them and would rather think the problems are all ours.

Anyways, I think I said everything I need to say. I don't really want to argue with you. I respect your thoughts, and I appreciate your contributions and feedback (even in the manner that you've delivered them...we're still listening, believe it or not).

Sorry about the comments order, btw. It's a recent bug that we're trying to figure out. Not sure what happened....

-shoe
Redeye
September 22, 2009
Okee dokee. I'm not dumb enough to claim that everything I said was called for or in the right or anything. I just personally differ on a few things and I'll do my best to spaz out a bit less in the future when expressing it.
Redeye
February 12, 2010
i've posted a re edit of this article that I think is much more readable at this new location
http://bitmob.com/index.php/mobfeed/once-more-with-feeling.html

I want to keep this article in order to preserve these comments but I also want to give the new version of the article a chance to do well without my ridiculous screw ups.
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