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On Broken Website Etiquette and Twitter Drama
Franksmall
Wednesday, July 22, 2009

Overdos3 is a new site with no real resources and very little time to truly deliver the content we could if this was a full time job, so we end up posting many stories that we find on the internet from other sites. Often the way we produce stories is to take these posts, reference them with a link of some sort and then offer up some form of commentary which puts the Overdos3 flavor on the piece so we are not just leeching off of another site.

This is not the optimal way to do things, but it is the best we can achieve at this point with no parent company or sponsors.

You would think, then, that if little sites like ours aspire to document and link our sources as diligently as possible, that the big guns like Kotaku would do the same thing as well.

You might be wrong about that!

 

Turns out via the magic of Twitter, that we can get an inside look into the inner workings of the rather incestuous relationship internet sites can have.

When Kotaku posted a story about Left 4 Dead 2 yesterday, they used embedded images from GameVideos, a part of the 1UP Network, without giving any kind of link to GameVideos or 1UP. Now, this is a bit understandable since the videos (video of Left 4 Dead 2 taken with a camcorder) all have the GameVideos watermark in the lower-right corner.

Still, you would think that Kotaku big-wig Brain Crecente would rectify the situation if asked by David Ellis of 1UP...right?

If your answer was no and that Crecente would respond with a rather douchey and snide remark, then you would be our winner of the day.

So, in order to give you all a glimpse into the inner workings of videogame journalism, I now present you with a few twitter responses from Crecente, Ellis and myself.

DavidEllis@crecenteb Can you guys update your L4D2 post to acknowledge that the videos are via GameVideos/1UP? Thanks man.

 

crecenteb@DavidEllis The giant watermark doesn't do that already?

 

Videosta@DavidEllis Wow, Crecente is kinda being a douche! Like he doesn't know a link would be more respectful. Guess the mullet clogs his manners.

 

Videosta@crecenteb Why question what @DavidEllis respectfully asked. Just put a friggin link up and don't be an asshole about it.

 

DavidEllis@crecenteb Not when the "story" makes no mention of their origin. I really don't think I'm asking too much. See this: http://bit.ly/LBrOh

 

OK, maybe I am just writing this story to shame Brain Crecente for acting like a jerk and not just fixing the issue without making a scene, and to be honest Crecente's remark is not the height of douchebaggery. It is simply uncouth when there is no need to be.

Starting something on the Internet is hard work. I do not doubt at all that anyone who works at Kotaku works at a faster pace than most. They update their site more frequently than any other that I know of, and often their work is copied on site after site (including this one). What we all need to remember is that we all work hard at what we do. We should never neglect to take the time to make sure that we reference and site the hard work that others do while we are rushing to get our own hard work done.

That is not in any way asking someone to go above and beyond their responsibility, that is asking someone to uphold a minimal of common courtesy.

Update: Now Kotaku has replaced the videos from GameVideos with some from GameTrailers.... Classy!

 
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Comments (8)
Dan__shoe__hsu_-_square
July 23, 2009
This is nuts! Funny, too.
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July 23, 2009
He pulled the you caught me so I will update it with someone else act.
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July 23, 2009
Brian Crecente on LisenUp is probably not happening anytime soon.
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July 23, 2009
I like how David Ellis used quotes around "story" to refer to Kotaku's article. Perhaps that hit will knock some journalistic-integrity/writing-skills into them -- though, 1up shouldn't be pointing that finger.

1up's "Top five free sperm games": http://www.1up.com/do/featuresIndex?ct=FEATURE
Jason_wilson
July 23, 2009
Until managements, online and print, realize the importance of good editors, copy desks, and reasonable workloads, journalism is going to have an increasing amount of errors. Errors even appeared in the New York Times' obit of Walter Cronkite. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/us/18cronkite.html?pagewanted=3&_r=1

It's a tough world for media now.
Franksmall
July 23, 2009
I don't know if the error was as much the problem as the lax attitude in fixing the issue. Crecente is the Editor-in-Chief of Kotaku, and I don't think the tough climate for the media right now has much to do with being courteous to other sites work.

I do not know Crecent in any way. I make no judgements on him personally other than his actions today. He might be the nicest guy in the world, but the fact that he did not jump to resolve this issue really makes me question him as an editor. Corruption in organizations almost always comes from the top down. Someone in his position should be leading the charge in responsible journalism... Like Shoe did while he was at EGM.
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July 23, 2009
Man, I wanna see a cage match.
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July 24, 2009
I find this funny because during this transaction of tweets I was following david ellis and some other 1up staff, and they all started going off about this very thing, and then the last tweet was somthing like 'ok, they finaly posted a link... w00t twitter'
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