Is gaming a shameful hobby?

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Wednesday, May 18, 2011
EDITOR'S NOTEfrom James DeRosa

I've never noticed that my video-game posters were an impediment to romance. I did stop putting them up about two years ago, though. They were getting pretty ratty, and I felt like I had outgrown them.

Mario Posters

I am a proud member of Club Nintendo. When I get a new Nintendo product, I sit down and enter in all those stupid codes into the company website, so I can get some awesome Zelda and Mario posters. Once I filled up my walls with appropriate nods to my nerd sensibilities, I was extremely happy. (I've even got a Trogdor poster and a pirate flag for good measure.)

I was pretty pleased once the posters were up, but my inner peace didn't last long. It took one off-hand musing from a hot girl to shatter my fragile satisfaction: "You know, Chris? You should really get some new posters." Apparently, It probably won't be the last time I'll hear this.

She told me that my posters are likely to scare other chicks away, and that I should take them down. I would like to think that if I brought a girl back to my room, the nerd posters wouldn't be the deal breaker. I have plenty of other actual deal breakers, like the creepy minivan I drive. If a girl gets into that, I'm pretty sure it means that the posters aren't going to be a big deal. It also means that they probably haven't seen Silence of the Lambs.

 

Unfortunately, this all raises a big question for me: Am I actually ashamed of my nerd credentials? I have a massive bookcase of games that immediately grabs the attention of anyone entering the room, and my gaming posters fill out the rest of my room's landscape. At first, I was proud of being a nerd and was glad to show all this stuff off. But now, I'm not so sure. I've been told that I need to find a girl who likes me for who I am -- gamer or not -- but that's starting to look like an awfully lonely road.

I am in the process of moving to New York City, and I have to decide what I'm taking with me. When I look to my Mario poster for advice, Mario's enthusiastic fist pump is as clear an answer as any. But when I look at my The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks poster, I kind of just wish it was a Wind Waker poster -- no help there.

In the end, I don't think I'm going to put all these awesome posters back on my wall once I get to the city. I wish this little story would end with me saying "Fuck it! I'm putting up my damn nerd posters even if they do scare all the chicks I like away!" but it doesn't. Instead, it ends with me looking for a Jack Daniel's poster on Amazon and praying that whatever girls I get back back to my apartment don't figure out I'm a gamer right away.

Being open about my gaming habits was fun while it lasted, but I'm returning to the closet for a while. Will it change things? I doubt it. Maybe one day gamers will be looked upon as the cool kids, and I'll have my posters ready to go up on the wall when that day comes. Until then, only the Internet will know the truth! So please don't tell anyone guys. Seriously.  


Chris Davidson is a stand up comedian, writer, podcaster, engineer, and self-deprecating nerd. You can follow him on Twitter @CWDavidson and watch his latest stand up video on his YouTube channel.

 
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Comments (58)
Avatarrob
May 18, 2011
I've been gaming all my life, and I've been backwards and forwards many times on how much my inner geek should be allowed out in public. I've been through periods where I tried to minimise how much of a geek I appeared to others (and yes, the gaming posters will put off some girls, just the same way that a wall full of posters of football players would), but when it comes down to it, over the past couple of years I've realised that I don't much care what people who don't know me think. And yet I still draw myself an invisible line; I'm not going to loudly start a conversation about gaming in the lunch room at work with people who aren't interested - that's just rude and obnoxious - but I was surprised when the topic of gaming came up naturally how many people did enjoy playing. In the long term, would you want to be with someone who thought you were nothing more than the sum of your wall decorations? In the short term.. well, that's a different matter ;) And yet there's a difference between passionately following a hobby and shouting from the rooftops at passers by about how great something is. I don't have any answers, and I think I'll be trying to find a balance for years to come, but I'm certainly much happier now I'm relaxed enough to let my inner geek out, even if I expect him to behave in polite company.
Default_picture
May 18, 2011
My favorite throwback: Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind :)
Avatarrob
May 18, 2011
Absolutely! One of the girls in my office started giving me crap when she found out I was a gamer, but on the other hand she's just as much a 'geek' about soap operas and reality TV. Everyone's a geek about something; some are just more mind-numbing than others.
Default_picture
May 18, 2011

I have a movie poster from The Wizard up in my apartment, opposite my Mortal Kombat II arcade cabinet :-) So I don't much care what others think...

In any case, these bouts of shame should disappear as gaming continues to mature. Some of the posters I've seen from the likes of Modern Warfare and Heavy Rain are mature, shame-free, display-worthy pieces.

Blog
May 18, 2011

I'm not even a fan of the Halo series, but I still proudly display the giant helmet I got with with XBox 360 last year in a package deal. I'm also wearing a shirt right now with the knight slaying the dragon from adventure. I'm happily married to a wife who loves gaming and we regularly go and play Munchkin at our favorite coffee shop (or she'll play Parappa the Rappa while I'm playing Dragon Quest IX).

I'm sure it's shameful to some--but so is poetry and I'm getting my MA as a poet.

I think Jason is right. The shame goes away not only as gaming matures and finds a safer haven in culture--but also as we mature as adults and start to care less about what we project and more about what we are. I turn thirty next week, so I'm sure that milestone has something to do with my comfort zone, but I think the level of imagined shame is melting away more and more each year, no matter who you are.

Shoe_headshot_-_square
May 18, 2011

My apartment is drowning in gaming posters, EGM covers, toys, swag, etc. When I became single last year, my friends were telling me I have to get rid of all that stuff if I'm to invite any lady prospects over. I stood my ground. Instead, I made it very clear to any girls that I was dating, right up front, that I'm a huge nerd and that my apartment is a sight to behold -- very much 40-year-old-virgin territory. :)

Anyways, I gave my current girlfriend ample warning before she came over for the first time: "Listen...you're about to walk into a nerd palace." Luckily, she was drunk at the time, and she didn't seem to mind. Worked out well! We've been dating eight months now....

Blog
May 18, 2011

I'm glad you stood your ground. There was a period last year where my wife had the Final Fantasy XII license grid poster on our bedroom wall so that she could reference it on the fly. The right people will walk in and go, "why don't you have more gaming stuff on your wall?"

Bitmob_photo
May 18, 2011

Shoe, maybe one day I'll be as cool as you and not even the gaming posters will bring me down! 

Avatarrob
May 18, 2011
The moral of the story? Make sure your prospective partner's drunk the first time she sees your fortress of solitude. And no, that's not a euphemism ;)
Sexy_beast
May 18, 2011

I can confirm this; Dan has more nerdy shit than I do, and I'm almost half his age. The first time I walked into his apartment, I was both excited and scared.

BUT, I can also confirm that Dan is dating a very lovely lady (as am I). Having nerdy hobbies isn't so bad, just be aware of how you carry yourself.

Avatarrob
May 18, 2011
Agreed. Hell, I met my fiancee with a fortuitously-placed Secret of Mana reference. But I think what some geeks struggle with is the social awareness of when it's appropriate to burst into full-flood geek-out and when it might be preferable to hold back a little.
Default_picture
May 18, 2011

I feel compelled to say... as an actual female geek, surrounded by actual female geek friends (we're legion, folks, and we're not some weird species; try treating us like people and see what happens) this post rubs me the wrong way.

If what you want in your life is shallow "hot chicks" then thinking shalowly is a great way to find them.  If what you want is a partner who not only tolerates your hobbies but celebrates and shares them, then that "Mario's History" poster stays on the wall.

Bitmob_photo
May 18, 2011

I try to be shallow back, but I'm just not attractive enough to pull it off successfully! Maybe one day. Haha sorry it rubbed you the wrong way, I could feel everyone's disappointment in me as I clicked the submit button, but it's the truth.

Default_picture
May 18, 2011

I'm not out to judge your attractiveness standards.  We each have our preferences. ;)  (And I'll admit, as a lady gamer, it's easy sometimes for me to forget that the nerd dating pool was always heavily skewed in my favor.)  But it's like others have said -- hiding who you are and what you like won't help anything.  Get frames for the good ones, jettison the cheesy ones, and get comfortable with your own skin.

Shoe_headshot_-_square
May 18, 2011

Yeah, you girls have it lucky!

Img_20100902_162803
May 18, 2011
You want someone who wants to be with you for you. If those posters represent you, why change?
Default_picture
May 18, 2011
Sounds like she wasn't the girl fir you anyway. I have the Mario pirate poster, and I think it's hilarious. At the very least, said girl should at least have a sense of humor. Even if you lock out your neediness now, it'll come out again anyway, so hiding yourself is really self-defeating. Isn't New York one of the top nerd wonderlands? (I haven't made it out there yet.) I've been dealig with this issue too, but it defines so many other parts of me, I've decided to just pet it go, for now. Best of luck on your move and the new you.
Bhhdicon_copy
May 18, 2011

I have a pair of framed gaming posters in my living room; one of Rufus and the Turks, the other of Breath of Fire IV. Additionally, I have a framed limited lithograph of Custom Robo above my kitchen table. No shame for the game, nor will any be had.

Default_picture
May 18, 2011

I've got the exact same set of Mario posters sitting in my studio. Someday, I'm going to get the balls to just frame one and live with the consequences from the Mrs.

Robsavillo
May 18, 2011

I take some of the particulars in the article to be exaggerated for comedic effect (e.g., "hot girl"), but this does speak to something I've discussed before with others: In decidely non-geeky settings, talking about video games can be a little strange...even ostracizing. And it doesn't help that when discussing games to people who generally do not play any, I have no shared langauge that easily conveys what I'm trying to say about the medium. I can, at times, feel like I'm just talking with myself while a confused onlooker tilts his or her head to the side.

But an easy solution to the problem -- put your posters in frames! Seriously. Frames make everything look more "grown up," so to speak. My home office walls are still covered in punk rock posters, after all.

Bitmob_photo
May 18, 2011

Dude, she looked like Olivia Wilde. She was really hot. I appreciate you giving me the benefit of the doubt and assuming my ego wasn't actually that pitifully fragile! Frames might be the way to go though.

Img_20110311_100250
May 18, 2011

Talking about anything in a non-welcoming setting is ostracizing. 

Musical-theater geeks, gear heads, and PhDs in the history of northern France all deal with keeping their passions close to the vest. 

Learning to respect other people's ability to care about your hobbies is part of growing up. 

Robsavillo
May 19, 2011

That's not exactly what I mean, Jeff.

If I bring up Kick Ass in conversation, there's high probability that whoever I'm talking to will either know what I'm referring to or be able to relate to the topic in one way or another. Film is incredibly mainstream, and we have a shared, established language to discuss it.

But if I bring up Valkryia Chronicles (or even, say, Portal 2), I'm likely to get a lot of puzzled looks, and then disinterest ensues. That I'd have to run in geek-orientated circles for meaningful discussion is evidence enough that the medium is still relatively culturally exclusive.

Perhaps alienating is a better description.

Avatarpic-l
May 18, 2011

Dude, if you're over the age of 22 and you still have posters on your wall, the subject matter of the poster is probably not the biggest issue.

Bitmob_photo
May 18, 2011

A truer statement has never been said. 

Default_picture
May 18, 2011

Depends what sort of poster you mean. I think framed movie posters can look very classy on a wall--much like a theater lobby.

Pic
May 18, 2011

I'm very much in agreement with this everything happening in this reply thread. Posters, no matter what, are cheesy after a certain age. Framed movie posters or cool art are always a good topical piece when a new lady enters your living quarters.

Additionally, the definition of 'nerd' has changed and women are more open to so called nerds than they let on. My girlfriend was one of those 'I'll never date a boy who plays video games because he's still a boy' types. A few months of exposure and she's like "When is Mass Effect 3 coming out?!" She'll NEVER play a console game, but she appreciates the medium because I stood my ground and wasn't ashamed of it.

It's like what Dan said. In summary, you gotta stand by who you are with confidence and if she's quality, she'll respect that. If she bounces, well, then you didn't want to date her anyway. Trust me.

Blog
May 18, 2011
Avatarrob
May 18, 2011
My fiancee insisted I mention the Final Fantasy VII wall-scroll which dominated her bedroom wall when we first met...
Img_20110311_100250
May 18, 2011

Oh shit... I'm probably never going to stop laughing at that Silence of the Lambs line. 

Img_20110311_100250
May 18, 2011

Chris, gamers and nerds are already the cool kids, but not because they are gamers and nerds. It's because most of us have arrived at a point where we don't care what people think. That is what makes a person cool. 

As other people have commented, everyone is a nerd about something. In fact, we have a word for people who don't have a dedicated hobby: boring. 

On the other hand, if you want to attract a certain type of person who is diametrically opposed to video games, then maybe that is who you are now. Either way, not giving a fuck is the quickest path to happiness and acceptance. 

Sexy_beast
May 18, 2011

Just out of curiosity, Chris, how old are you?

Bitmob_photo
May 18, 2011

According to Lydia, I'm twelve. I'm just gonna go with that.

Sexy_beast
May 18, 2011

Well, if you're twelve, I'd say you have nothing to worry about.

Seeing as how most 12-year-olds don't move to New York by their lonesome, I would say that an abundance of Nintendo schwag does seem a little...beyond your age.

By all means, rock your Nintendo fan power; don't let anyone make you feel shameful for doing so. Nintendo is a fun brand, and a large part of me still wishes I liked it (because I know Nintendo fans are probably happier gamers than I am).

But if you really care about what girls -- especially HOT ones -- think about you, then having your room laden with the cutesy world of Nintendo may be the fire at their backs as they're leaving.

Sexy_beast
May 19, 2011

Is that a winking smiley face that I'm seeing? Go for it, Chris! Give Bitmob its first romance story.

*elbow poke*

Eh? Eh?

Sexy_beast
May 19, 2011

Well, that's an easy fix.

*puts on rubber gloves*

Don't worry, Chris, I'll take care of this. Give me about three days.

Bitmob_photo
May 19, 2011

Before this goes any further, I'm actually 23. Let the disappointment ensue.

Sexy_beast
May 19, 2011

No disappointment at all! I think people who can embrace a younger side of themselves has the potential to live a happier life than, say, someone like me; I'm a pretty miserable person. I also absolutely despise Nintendo. Coincidence?

Hot girls aren't worth shoving a little bit of yourself in the attic. The only kind of girl that should matter in your life is one that finds your dedication to your hobbies endearing. Anyone who doesn't isn't worth your time. If girls expect us to stomach their idiosyncrasies, I don't see why the same shouldn't be expected of them.

Any girl who scoffs at your hobbies can just as easily have hers torn to pieces. Trust me -- they don't make it very difficult.

Jamespic4
May 18, 2011

Double what Lydia said about the frames. They are super cheap a IKEA. Check it out!

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/decoration/10757/

Robsavillo
May 19, 2011

Ikea doesn't usually sell frames made specifically for standard poster sizes (24x36, 27x40, etc.), though. I recommend going to a craft store like Michaels.

Shoe_headshot_-_square
May 18, 2011

I love all the comments here calling Chris out for not having frames. :)

Bitmob_photo
May 18, 2011

I honestly don't know why it never occured to me. Of all the things I expected to be called out on for writing this article, frames didn't make the initial list.

Alexemmy
May 18, 2011

I never had a ton of game posters, just one or two from a magazine, but the first movie I ever watched with my first girlfriend when we were 16 was Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. I'm not sure why I thought she would like it, or why I even liked it, but we watched the whole thing and she told me it was good. Once we'd been dating for awhile she informed me that it was incredibly stupid and I was a big dork, but we're married now, so she's stuck. She knew what she was getting herself into.

Me_and_luke
May 18, 2011

Indeed, all these frame suggestions are catching me off guard.  I've never once thought about framing any of my awesome posters (and by awesome posters, I mean a "Mario for President" poster that I got in an issue of Nintendo Power, and a Randy Moss, Cris Carter, Jake Reed "Vikings Triple Threat" poster).

Shoe_headshot_-_square
May 18, 2011

Bryan, I think *you're* an awesome poster.

Me_and_luke
May 18, 2011

I read through my comment about five times, looking for the "you are" that I presumably neglected to contract... Then I finally realized you made a clever pun.  :D

Shoe_headshot_-_square
May 18, 2011

Bryan: Haha, glad to confuse you! ;)

Bitmob_photo
May 18, 2011

Can I just say that I love you all? To the people that told me I'm a total loser and I need some frames, I love you guys twice :)

Bitmob_photo
May 18, 2011

Also, I think everyone completely forgot I wrote this a year ago http://bitmob.com/articles/a-gamers-date-girls-or-video-games

It's funny how I was of a completely opposite mindset a year ago.

Default_picture
May 18, 2011

Hey Chris, I've really asked myself the same question, whether gaming is a shameful hobby. After collecting all sorts of old and new games, I often think that I'm getting too old for gaming. I hardly have any time to play a long RPG.

Still, I hope that no one would criticize me for my old Secret of Mana poster that's still hanging on my wall. I have fond memories of such old video games and I wouldn't want to lose many of those artifacts for good. Whatever the case, I hope no one thinks of gaming as a shameful hobby 20 years from now.

Picture_15
May 18, 2011

I'm 33 and have a Dreamcast P.S.O. poster hanging next to my Mortal Kombat Arcade machine and next to that is a poster with a ton of Zelda items/characters on it that I think came from an issue of E.G.M. I don't care what people think when they see these things because I love gaming, the history of video games and its community. Damn, that might be why I have no girlfriend right now =P

167586_10100384558299005_12462218_61862628_780210_n
May 18, 2011

I say rock it while you can. I'm marrying a girl who makes beautiful art, and I gladly retired all my movie and game posters without a fight. Mostly, though, I just got tired of putting them up. I could never find enough sticky tack and they'd always fall down on me while I slept.

Default_picture
May 19, 2011

You really have to decide for yourself whether or not you're ashamed enough of something to hide it from girls. But do you really want to date someone who thinks less of you because you play video games? I will never understand people who put up with partners that view a hobby of theirs as childish. No one deserves that and I don't understand how anyone can be happy in that situation. If these are just random hook-ups you're looking for, then you definitely shouldn't be surprised by the fact that getting rid of videogame posters might help you. In that situation, there's a lot more obscuring your own personality that probably needs to happen besides hiding one of your hobbies.

On the other hand, apartments/rooms/houses covered in videogame posters and other such nerdy things can be a little weird. It's as crazy as covering your house in sports-related items. Just because you shouldn't be ashamed about the things you enjoy in life doesn't mean you need to appear to obsess over them. My girlfriend plays quite a few videogames, but if we ever live under the same roof, I don't think she would be very thrilled if I insisted on decorating the entire apartment/house in videogame posters.

Bitmob_photo
May 19, 2011

To be truly honest, I think you just nailed it for me. I'm not trying to date any of these girls, and if I am, they WILL know that I play video games. I'm not trying to hide that from a serious relationship. If I'm just grabbing random girls from bars though, the posters can hurt. I also might have gone a little too far in my initial decorating.

Img_20110311_100250
May 19, 2011

I just want it said that I could totally have all of those posters on my wall and my girlfriend would still be way into me. She isn't a "gamer," but she did beat all of Henry Hatsworth including the hidden levels. 

Bitmob_photo
May 19, 2011

That's so incredibly bad-ass.

Default_picture
October 18, 2011
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Shoe_headshot_-_square
October 18, 2011

Wow, that's carrying it a bit far...that's false advertising! :)

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