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The Unspoken Gap Between EA and Microsoft on Xbox Live.
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Thursday, September 03, 2009
Tags: EA, Xbox Live

Earlier tonight I was setting up an Xbox live account for my step-son. He plays on Xbox Live frequently at dad's house, but we wanted him to have an account that he could play on anywhere (between dad, us, grandma and friends, he has access to at least 6 360's), and one we could keep a better eye on him with.

I just so happened to have an extra 13 month card I'd been sitting on (I was given two for Christmas last year) and I figured I would use it to get his account started. We set it up using his birthday (1998) and that made Live prompt for my information to confirm that he has parental approval. This was all expected, because I had called 1-800-4MY-XBOX a few days ago and asked them about what I needed to know prior to setting up this account.

Once the account was set up, it automatically prompted me for credit card info to kick the account into permanent gold status, and I pulled the tab on the 13 month card without hesitation. Once we were activated, he immediately dove into his current game of choice, Battlefield 1943.

Here's where we learned the almost hidden rule that EA has, and Microsoft doesn't: EA requires account holders to be over the age of 13. Microsoft does not. This becomes a problem when someone with a child account registered under the age of 13 tries to play an EA game on Xbox Live, because gamers must have both an Xbox Live Gold account as well as an EA account (free).

As I understand it, EA is the only company allowed to run their own servers on Xbox Live. This is why they are able to maintain their own account requirements. As a result, account holders under the age of 13 cannot play EA games on Live.

I call it hidden because nowhere in the Xbox Live Terms of Use does it say that an account holder's age will affect the level of interaction that the user will have:

 

By selecting "ACCEPT" below, you are representing that you are 18 years old (and have reached the “age of majority” if that is not 18 years of age where you live) and you are attaching your electronic signature to and agreeing to all terms in this contract.

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You acknowledge that you are aware that some features of the Service, and some content available through the Service may contain or expose users to material that is unsuitable for minors, and you agree to supervise usage by minors whom you permit to use the Service . The Service is not intended for use by children under 13 , except together with a parent or other adult supervision;

These clips make things a little muddy. On one hand, it seems to indicate that people under the age of 18 cannot have Xbox Live accounts. On the other, it explains that while my step-son may encounter material that may not be appropriate for him, it is quite clear that with my permission and supervision, he is perfectly welcome to use Xbox Live.

In any case, it seems to make it sound like this is actually a legal agreement with ME, and not with my step-son. This makes me wonder why they even allow people to put in birthdays indicating that they are younger than 18.

Regardless, according to everything I have read so far, there's no reason for me to expect any restriction on his account, which is why I went ahead and activated the card.

We were irked when Battlefield (somewhat-incorrectly) reported that "your gamer profile does not have the correct permissions to access xbox live functionality". I had every permission to access Xbox Live, the problem actually lies with EA. I'm not the first person to run into this, either.

Reading EA's ToS warrents something much easier on the eyes, but not much clearer to the mind:

EA does not knowingly collect data from anyone under the age of 13.


That's it. That's all it says about any kind of restriction based on age.

Now, I know this is just EA covering their ass from the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act, but considering that the Xbox Live account seems to actually be a legal agreement between myself and Microsoft, it stands to reason that EA's agreement would be between myself and them as well.

To rectify the situation, my first thought was to just fib his birth year. You see, the way Xbox Live Child accounts work, they are locked into 'child mode' which gives a separate 'parent' account access to set restrictions on what can be played and how other people see their child's account.

It automatically converts to an 'Adult' account on the account holder's 18th birthday (or at least whenever Microsoft thinks the account holder turns 18). I didn't care if Microsoft thought he currently was 15, and honestly by the time he actually IS 15, he likely won't need the level of supervision that we'd be using a child account for anyway.

Well, even Xbox support personnel cannot change the birth date on a child account. It's one of the few (maybe only) bits of data tied to the account that cannot be changed. Our only choices were to cancel the account and make a new one, or live with the restriction until Xbox Live recognized him as being 13 years old, and would then pass it on the EA.

However, since we used a prepaid card, Microsoft said they could not issue a refund for the 13 months of service this child account now had, which is understandable. After all, I didn't pay them directly in the first place.

What I didn't understand however, is that they are also unable to transfer any amount of the 13 months of service to a new account. Believe it or not, 2 customer service representatives, 2 technical support representatives AND a Customer Service Supervisor later, Microsoft's stance had not changed.

They understood that I was screwed, and they were sorry I was screwed, but I remained screwed. 15 minutes into 13 months of Xbox Live and I'm stuck in cruise control with a dead pilot at the wheel.

Image by Bill Plympton

As you can imagine, I have a few objections to this situation.

1) This is a pretty heavy restriction, considering how large of a studio EA is. This prevents people in my step-sons situation from playing franchises like Need for Speed, Burnout, Battlefield, Command and Conquer, Medal of Honor (maybe that last one isn't so bad to miss out on...), and many others.

2) At no point in the Xbox Live account creation process did it indicate that we would have ANY kind of restrictions. Even when I talked to the Xbox Live rep a few days ago, asking about child accounts, there was no mention of anything like this.

I understand that Microsoft can't be responsible for EA's policies, however this is Microsoft's house that EA is playing in.

Even if Microsoft didn't want to mandate a standard (they should, to avoid people like feeling like I do--that they've been taken to the cleaners) it seems only fair that at the very least I should be notified of something like this before I put my money (or card) up.

It's not like there are multiple studios with which Microsoft needs to track their rules--there's only EA.

3) Seriously EA? I'm sure gamers 15-21 are your sweet spot, but you can't tell me that gamers 10 to 13 that aren't a significant target audience. When I was 11, Need for Speed was a keystone game for me. In fact, I'd go far enough as to say that if it wasn't for Need for Speed, I wouldn't be as much of a car head as I am today. With games like The Sims, Battlefield, Madden, and Burnout, there's quite a few people you're excluding, even if half of them played by the rules and used their real birthdays.

4) If I had $1 for every time they said "But since you used a prepaid card..." when inquiring about transferring the active service, I could have easily paid for a new year on BOTH of our accounts. This type of restriction on prepaid cards was also news to me. It will definitely be something I keep in mind when using prepaid account cards in the future.

5) Finally, I am astonished that when I'm talking to an Xbox Customer Service representative, they cannot transfer service from one account to another when you're dealing with a prepaid card.

If I have gone through enough steps to verify my identity and have the authority to cancel the account, I should have authority to move service to another account that is also in my name. I even asked for a partial credit, canceling 13 months and getting 6 months on the new account, and they were unable to do that.

I'm not yet sure what we'll do. I really don't want to pay for more Xbox Live months, as we have an account now that can play anything made by anyone except EA for the next year. It's really disappointing that even 15 minutes after the account creation, Microsoft was seemingly powerless to help us.

EA blazing their own trail and creating restrictions where there are none expected doesn't leave me feeling good, either.

I really feel like we were taken advantage of due to the lack of information, and lack of positive resolution. If nothing else, I hope we can serve as a caution to other parents.

 
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Comments (18)
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September 04, 2009
WoW thanks for posting this.
Alexemmy
September 04, 2009
Complete BS. Great article summing up the issue Jon. Like I said on Twitter, I hope they front page this and someone at EA or Microsoft finds it and helps you out. At the very least you should be able to cancel the account and get your 13 months back to start a new account with.
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September 04, 2009
15 minutes into 13 months of Xbox Live and I'm stuck in cruise control with a dead pilot at the wheel.


Man, I love that sentence. Great metaphor.

Awesome article - it's one of those things that shocks me, but I'm sure why. It seems like Xbox Live is full of tons of secret traps and loopholes, right down to the fact that you have to buy points to buy games because you end up paying more money.

That you can't transfer accounts is simply baffling...it can't be THAT hard. At the least, couldn't they just ban the existing account, and give you a new 13 month card (or like you said, settle for 6 months).

Thanks for posting this, it was an interesting read and good story.
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September 04, 2009
I updated the article to clarify a little bit that the problem Xbox seemed to have with crediting a new account was that I used a prepaid card. While it still infuriates me that the card is effectively useless if we decide to re-make the account, they did say a number of times that if I had used a credit card, they could have fixed me right up.

I had no idea prepaid cards had such a stipulation, however.

Thanks for the positive comments, I'm glad this is coming off better than just me being an old man shaking my fist. :)
Robsavillo
September 04, 2009
This is complete bullshit.

I looked around for any information to help you in your situation... the best I could find was a Yahoo Answers claim that you can send EA written consent to allow your step-son to play online. I tried to find the primary source but was unsuccessful.

Have you tried contacting EA?
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September 04, 2009
Have not, but I was planning on doing so today. The answers I was getting based on my Google search made it sound fruitless.

Thanks for the link!
September 04, 2009
Thank you for posting this story. I think it is an important tale to tell. I am also a stepfather of a teenager (God save me.. and us all), but it has not affected us. Why? I originally bought the 360, his play has not been affected.

Nor did this prevent my 5 year old nephew from experiencing his very first gaming glee. I am proud to say I introduced him to videogames and all their glory, and his first game was Burnout Paradise. Thank you to Criterion/EA for creating such fantastic physics/crash cutscenes.

I have never seen so much glee in a child and so many tears of joy as I did on that day. It got so “bad” that he had to pause this now favorite game “Racecar” due to what can only be described as being madly drunk on explosions.

Had there been EA age restrictions on my 360? While it may not have been a sad day, but what joy would have been missed!!!
Lance_darnell
September 04, 2009
If you need my Pyro skills to help solve this situation just say the word!
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September 04, 2009
If I encounter any hornballs, you're the first person I'll come running to, Lance!
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September 04, 2009
FWIW, I believe Square-Enix also has its own servers for Final Fantasy XI Online.
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September 05, 2009
On one hand, it's not the concept here that's flawed, simple the implementation.

Second, did you pay Bill Plympton for the use of his cartoon in this article, or at least get his permission? Or did you just get it from teh Interwebz?

I'm sure if he saw this thread, he would feel a lot like you do about the Xbox LIVE situation. You might not think so, but you pay to play. He draws to EAT.

A lot of screwing gets done to everybody, regardless of the best of intentions. C'est la vie.
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September 05, 2009
No Ed, I did not pay Bill for his use of the cartoon. I did however, search for the artist to at least give him credit for it. I found 5 instances of this image in use (none of them said do not recirculate the image) and none of them mentioned the artist anywhere.

Thank you for giving me his name, so I can give him credit for his work.
Dan__shoe__hsu_-_square
September 05, 2009
That's a lot of work just to play Battlefield! I've had huge problems with Xbox Live customer service in the past, so this doesn't surprise me, although it sounds like it's really EA's fault.

You make a good point that plenty of their games are perfectly suitable for the very young teen, but I dunno if Battlefield is one of those. ;)
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September 05, 2009
Haha, well Shoe there is a whole other story I didn't want to put in here about what goes on at Dad's house and the level of things he's exposed to there. Long story short, he's already seen and played much, MUCH worse than Battlefield, and to his credit has dealt with it excellently.

In the end though, it's my (and moms!) decision to make.

@Rob - I did find a phone number for EA's Privacy Policy Administration. I left them a voice mail explaining my situation and asking for direction. I'll update the article when/if I get a response.
John-wayne-rooster-cogburn
September 05, 2009
Hope everything gets settled in your favor. You seemed really calm in your article, I was impressed!
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September 05, 2009
here's hoping for a response
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September 05, 2009
And Jon, I wasn't meaning to be an ahole. I just wanted to point out that even with the best intentions, stuff happens. That was Bill Plympton who drew that. He's most famous for cartoons. I actually did a pitch at Nick and had to follow both him and John K who did Ren and Stimpy, and both of their projects were rejected. I didn't stand a chance, lol.
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September 05, 2009
I hate Microsoft for the BS they pulled on me over live and will never get a 360 or it's future incarnation because of it. I will stick with the PC and freedom to play when I want how I want with who I want.
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